Fun question =D

[Dell]

This always seems to spur debates and fun activities

Republican or democrat?

[Radek]

NDP

[remar]

In my opinion, it really don't matter who you vote for or what party you are for, either way we get screwed......but that is how politics work.

[Azazel]

Is there really a difference?

Az

[Askim]

Now that's the *real* question Az. I like to consider myself a Libertarian.

[Mase]

Problem with calling yourself a libertarian is that you have to disagree with ANY state-run social programs, which means you don't care that old people, handicapped people, abused women, and orphans would get screwed. The parties all mean well but they all suck in their own way.

[Dell]

Ok...well what I meant was McCain or Obama? =] (Sorry to those outside the US)

I was pretty much undecided at the beginning of all of this, but with the Palin Gimmick, and everything else going on, it seems more to me that McCain is just trying to look good in the media to win president. I don't doubt he would be a good pres, but he seems about ready to die any day now, and with Palin being his successor, I think the US would instantly downgrade to a 3rd world country.

I'm more for Obama as of now. Seems to have a strong head on his shoulders, not too worried about what the media thinks, just doing/saying what he actually thinks is best.

I know polotics can become a heated debate, but i figure it'll boost up forum activity. At least for those of us over 18 who live in the US. Wait...thats only like 3 people!

[Azazel]

Ok...well what I meant was McCain or Obama? =]

And I restate my questions: Is there REALLY any difference?

Az

[Valynn]

And I restate my questions: Is there REALLY any difference?

No, not much at all.

I'm more for Obama as of now. Seems to have a strong head on his shoulders, not too worried about what the media thinks, just doing/saying what he actually thinks is best.

Some call that strong head on shoulder a bit of arrogance, but all in the person and what you hear.

He isn't too worried about what the media thinks because most of them are in the bag for him. Well except for those small groups which disagree with him and try and call him on it, then they try and prosecute them for free-speech or ban freedom of speech all together, as in the university he spoke at. He cited 'security-concerns' for the ban on signs, but secret service had already said there was no danger.

Doing /saying what he thinks is best? As long as there is a teleprompter he can read off, perhaps. Personally I believe he is a media created and protected person.

He is by and by, the least known candidate and what is found, is glossed over by the media, barely reported or plain not even reported. As for Palin, the instant she was announced as McCain's VP, she was attacked fervertly and without mercy, nothing was too good to attack, her children, her husband, her parents.

If Palin was a stunt, it was a damn good one since it seemed to reassure McCain's base that already did not like him as a candidate. Also, a stunt would be calling for change and then have a VP that has been what is wrong in government. Biden, I believe, was selected to shore up against what Obama was being perceived as inexperienced.

As Azazel stated, not much difference between McCain and Obama, though there are certain BIG aspects that draw attention between the two, like Obama's vote being cast AGAINST rights for newborn babies that survive an abortion. Obama, and i will have to check to make sure, but I believe he has been named the most Liberal senator - that is saying quite abit since he has very little experience in the senate as is, and most of it has been campiagning for President.

I watch and read alot of politics / blogs, and the amount of vitriol and calling of racism is far from any other race I have followed. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is as much racism as they make it out to be. Oh, don't get me wrong, I am sure there are some out there, but you can't turn on the news or read an article without someone saying that it's racist this or racist that for speaking out against Obama.

I don't like McCain because he seem to be the type to want to please everyone, even caving on certain issues his base berates him for doing.

I don't like Obama because he is majorly inexperienced, his foriegn experience amounts to just recent tourism of a few countries, he comes across as arrognat and condescending at times, in a time of financial downturn his solution is to raise taxes, ect.

I believe it has come down to the Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.

[Dell]

That was the reason I was undecided at first, they both have their flaws. McCain's flaws just happen to stick out to me more than Obama's. With the Financial Crisis goin on right now, I think we need someone who isn't going to mainly focus on foreign policy, as it seems the Repub's are going to do (from my understanding anyway).

I guess the major thing that swayed my vote was Obama is new, fairly in-experienced, and hopeful on what he can accomplish (again..from what I can tell). Inexperience isn't always a bad thing, that means new things may be tried, things that the old dogs figured wouldn't work so they just stick with what they knew. As for the race issue, like Valynn said, I don't think it's AS big of an issue as we'd like (or not like) to think.

P.S. I like Obama's arrogance over McCains undecidedness

[Karik]

I find arrogant people tend not to listen to anyone, even those who vote thier butts in.

I am an equal opportunity hater - I hate EVERYONE.

[Askim]

The deciding factor for me was what I perceive to be their general message. Where as McCain seems to be going Bush's way with "Fear", like OMG Terrorists are everywhere and they want to blow us up, I see Obama's outlook to be "Hope" like, America is broken, let's fix it.

That's my two cents.

[Joker]

Obama

Although I cannot vote, that would be my option mostly because :-

1) McCain is named after an Oven Chip, and that wouldn't be right

http://www.mccain.co.uk/assets/products ... _large.jpg

2) He is old, so chances are he is not going to survive 4 years of the strain / stress... and look what nutter is ready to pick up the mantel after he is gone. Why do you think she was punted off to Alaska?! They obviously knew what she could become and tried to hide her from one possible destiny!


Man I should really lay off the Dead Zone before I go to sleep.

[Sonja]

I'm not eligible to vote in the US either, but I do follow it closely. It's a very important thing to be aware of for everybody across the globe. I don't know where I stand though! It'd be a difficult decision voting in the states. Cain played a great card though with Palin.

Anyways, I have my own election coming up that I need to worry about. Go go Canada!


Hi Joker!

-S

[nysrogh]

I was watching the "debates" last night and it reminded me of a compulsive liar on valium facing off with a rabid badger... i also found myself wondering why the GOP and Democrats are so threatened by a party that currently has 4% in the polls that they won't let them participate in these "debates"...

[Mase]

I don't know which party you're talking about, but the debates aren't sponsored or organized by either party, OR the mainstream media/news networks, as one might assume. The Commission on Presidential Debates is a non-partisan, non-profit organization, and their stance on party nominees participating is determined by exactly that - their relevance in the upcoming election. Spending time and money on candidates who have insignificant roles would be a waste. However, if said Green Party nominee/faux-Libertarian nominee/Socialist nominee was actually polling in the double-digits, you could bank on him/her being asked to participate.

That's the great thing about this country - if you're deluded enough to think that it's worth running a campaign on a completely idealistic and unreasonable platform, you're free to do so and hold your own debate against nobody (see: Green Party, San Francisco) rather than get your *** thrown in jail.

[Azazel]

the commission was created by the Republicrat party to keep 3rd parties out. They let Perot in in 1992, but after the showing he had they've changed the rules to make it even harder for people to get in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission ... al_Debates

http://www.gp.org/press/pr_04_16_02.html

http://www.opendebates.org/

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/o ... &dist=hppr

http://history.howstuffworks.com/americ ... ebate4.htm

[Mase]

Along those lines, here's an interesting link:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781359.html

The US Federal government is hardly a model of transparency, so why do we care so much about debates? Whoever is elected will abuse the power anyway.

[ghnat]

its all a academic debate anyway. do you actually think that people 'vote' into power the president. we got corporations guys:) which is just the new name for mafia or illuminati